Play What You Hear 50% Discount from the 7th onwards

Morpeli · #1 12-03-2010, 10:46 AM

If you are interested, apparently PWYH will sell for 50% discount for 5 days from the 7th onwards....I think you need to subscribe to his mailing list....

Drumbler · #2 12-03-2010, 12:51 PM

I want 90% discount.

Or better would be to put it up on a torrent site so we all can mooch it.

Jazz musicians is poor. We spend all our money on skag.

Morpeli · #3 12-06-2010, 11:21 PM

Here's the link:

Five Day Sale

FatJeff · #4 12-07-2010, 09:10 AM

Please write us a review once you've gone through the course. Several people here have been interested in it.

JonL · #5 12-07-2010, 06:10 PM

It has been discussed before - for example see

http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/impro...standring.html

What puts me off these things is the over the top sales pitch. These sales people think they are pulling you in but they do the opposite to me.

Maybe it is the 'magic pill' though?

FatJeff · #6 12-07-2010, 06:24 PM

My magic pill at the moment is (1) working on the 50 or so songs I have in my repertoire, (2) scales - currently bebop, altered dom, diminished and altered scales, (3) transcription.

ksjazzguitar · #7 12-07-2010, 06:35 PM

Morpelli, do you work for this guy? Most of your posts seem to be about PWYH.

But I agree, most of these things are much less than the hype. The harder they try and sell and discount and drag you in, the more suspicious I become.

Peace
Kevin

Tom Karol · #8 12-07-2010, 06:43 PM

"Thanks, but you should have heard what I was trying to play." - Thelonious Monk

Morpeli · #9 12-07-2010, 06:47 PM

No. I don't work for PWYH.

I just started playing guitar again after a 15 year hiatus, so I've become obssessed with finding different guitar methods to help me learn how to play guitar. I was really intrigued by the PWYH course but didn't want to buy it because it was so expensive. I looked for reviews on different forums but couldn't really find detailed info. (that didn't originate from their site) about how it worked...so I made a few posts.

I actually bought it yesterday. I've only had a quick glance at it so far. As far as I can tell it starts off with the G Major scale on all the single strings and also in the CAGED major scale patterns, gets your ears used to the sound of the major scale and then takes it from there.

I just thought people would be interested in the discount as there are so many Jazz musicians here.

JonL · #10 12-07-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Morpeli

I've only had a quick glance at it so far. As far as I can tell it starts off with the G Major scale on all the single strings and also in the CAGED major scale patterns, gets your ears used to the sound of the major scale and then takes it from there.

Thanks for the inof on the sale. I am sure there are people out there who will take up the offer. Then there are others who have lots of books already...

Out of interest then, what does this course say about the major scale and CAGED that is not in lots of other books?

Morpeli · #11 12-07-2010, 07:23 PM

Sorry, I haven't had a chance to really get into it so I am not sure. As far as I can tell it gets you used to hearing and playing the major scale by ear, it then drills you so that you can play the major scale everywhere on the neck in G major first and then in all the other keys and then later once you are used to that it gets you used to all the various alterations to the major scale...

Then it goes into harmonized scales. Then at the end there seem to be some Jazz standards to use what has been learned.

I think (but don't quote me as I really haven't had a chance to look at it properly) it's a systematic 'directed' set of simple jazz ear training drills to get you more used to playing by ear....It looks like a very systematic harmony/melody ear training course. You basically practice the ear exercise as you progress through the 'ebook'. It seems more straightforward than a traditional book because of the 'embeded' (on the PWYH server) MP3 excercises..

I don't think there is anything that we don't know about here but I think the way the course is structured makes it easier to take it in and play by ear. I'll see if this is so.

I will post more later once I've had a chance to take a closer look....so far it seems fairly straightforward i.e.
'This is this scale/melody/etc./etc.... Play this example to practice / Play over this progression to practice'

To be frank, I'm sure that most books talk about major scales, but I've noticed that most books seem to over-complicate everything.

For example, I looked at Jody Fischer's beginner's book a few weeks ago and it just looked so overcomplicated - it put me off buying it. The older I get, then more I search for simple things. I'm hoping this course will 'simplify'! I was looking for something that was more prescriptive - so I am hoping this will be it.

Here are the contents pages of the two printable pdfs:

About The Author 3
Who Wants To Know? 4
The Linear Concept 4
Introduction: Do You Really Hear It? 4
The new approach 7
The linear idea and how it works 8
Melody Versus Lick 10
Part one: Melody 13
The Major Scale 13
5 position major scale 18
Variations on the major scale - simple melodic patterns 25
The Diatonic Scale - analysis 34
Diatonic sounds and their relative chords 36
Seeing is conceiving - visualizing harmony 47
More melodic patterns 51
Diatonic sounds through moving key centers 67

Part two:

Harmony 71
Two five one in G major 72
Two Five One - all keys 74
Two five one showing location of surrounding
embellishment notes 75
Voice Leading and chordal accompaniment 76

Part Three:

Playing Over Changes 3
The linear method and changes 3
Step-Wise resolutions: Be-bop 8
Diminished arpeggios for dominant b9 chords 9
b9 Resolutions 12
The diminished scale 17
Diminished patterns for D7(b9) 20
More b9 resolutions 28
The Back-cycling turnaround 33
b9 resolutions for back-cycling 34
The relative minor turnaround 38
The melodic minor scale and b5 resolutions 39
Melodic minor patterns for D7(b5) D9(#11) Am(maj7) 44
b5 Resolutions 52
#5#9 Resolutions 57
The blues scale 63
Recognizing triads 67
Recognizing triads with reference to 2, 5, 1 in G major 72
Part four: Phrase Development 74
Motifs, themes and variations 74
Sequential 2, 5 resolutions 76
Tritone substitution 80
Sequential tritone resolutions 82
And now to the music... 86

Morpeli · #12 12-08-2010, 07:57 AM

Nope. I'm not spamming.
I'm a Hong Kong based cinematographer.

This is my personal website: www.morganpeline.com

JonL · #13 12-08-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Morpeli

As far as I can tell it gets you used to hearing and playing the major scale by ear, it then drills you so that you can play the major scale everywhere on the neck in G major first and then in all the other keys and then later once you are used to that it gets you used to all the various alterations to the major scale...

Does it not start off with learning intervals? I don't see what the point is of learning a scale as a starting point to 'hear' music, even if you can play it by ear. It seems better for a beginner to learn intervals really well and start playing with arpeggios over chord progressions of songs (or parts of songs as in the 'Lego Brick' system). Even taking a chord progression and trying to hear the root progression and improvise with just the root note is not that easy.

I am not convinced PWYH is not just another average book with over the top marketing to sell it but am willing to be convinced...

Morpeli · #14 12-08-2010, 05:50 PM

I'll give try it for the next few months and see. I'm hoping it's a good method! Even at half price it's still not that cheap....

Morpeli · #15 12-08-2010, 06:00 PM

Just thinking right now....

I'm not sure that some methods are necessarily that much better than others.

You know...to be frank...with a lot of methods, you have to put the work in. Most methods have the same information, you just need to spend time learning it. I think many people think there is a 'magic' way to learn, but ultimately I think some people spend more time practising more efficiently than others which is why they learn faster. Most of the information taught in Jazz books is the same information, just presented in different ways...

I could spend time with the Fisher books, the information would probably be the same, it's just that particular structure didn't appeal to me...I didn't want to spend time with it.

JonL · #16 12-08-2010, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpeli

I'm not sure that some methods are necessarily that much better than others.

You know...to be frank...with a lot of methods, you have to put the work in. Most methods have the same information, you just need to spend time learning it. I think many people think there is a 'magic' way to learn, but ultimately I think some people spend more time practising more efficiently than others which is why they learn faster. Most of the information taught in Jazz books is the same information, just presented in different way

I agree to a large extent but still think that some methods do seem better than others. Also, there is the matter of breaking things down in the best manner so you have a proper learning structure which makes practice most efficient. I guess what we are looking for is the best way to learn in the absence of a 'magic' way.

For example, if you are playing tonal music and want to be able to improvise then I think you should be able improvise, by ear, with just the chord tones. The question then is how do you best practice this. I would then say a preliminary thing is to learn all your intervals so you know them up and down without hesitation and can sing them without your instrument. Then start playing with arpeggios over chords. A different method is to use the chord/scale system but this leads to 'twiddling' on scales so IMO does not seem as good a method. This is the conclusion I have reached but it was hard to see when there is so much information presented in books and videos which goes too fast (partly because people are impatient and want to play complicated things asap).

I think it is common with ear training methods to emphasise learning intervals to start with, which is why i am interested as to why PWYH does not seem to recommend this. I'm not saying it is wrong - I don't know.

Morpeli · #17 12-08-2010, 06:52 PM

I think the course is more about melodies..making you practice drills to help you create all sorts of melodies.

I'll post more once I've used it for a few months.

ksjazzguitar · #18 12-08-2010, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpeli

I'll give try it for the next few months and see. I'm hoping it's a good method! Even at half price it's still not that cheap....

I'm willing to assume that it's a good method - most are. I'm just not sure it will live up the the hype - most of these things are just repackagings and recombinations of other ideas. I'm sure it will be fine. I would do it, get through the whole thing. Then I'd try a few other approaches to round things out.

I still say a good teacher is worth more, but it does cost more.

Peace,
Kevin

billbob · #19 12-12-2010, 03:18 AM

Hi, im thinking of buying this, is the sale for v3 or an older one?

Thanks.

Morpeli · #20 12-12-2010, 05:41 AM

It's v3. But I'd hurry as the sale has ended here in Asia. I just checked and the page is still up...not sure if you can still buy or not though depending when you get this...

alanfaber · #21 03-18-2012, 06:11 PM

Hi Morgan,

I was wondering, how did it go with the Play What You Hear course?
Did it work for you? Was it worth the price? Would you recommend it?

Alan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpeli

I think the course is more about melodies..making you practice drills to help you create all sorts of melodies.

I'll post more once I've used it for a few months.

Morpeli · #22 03-18-2012, 06:37 PM

Unfortunately, I got distracted by other guitar related things so I haven't been consistent with it. It seemed good to start with but I did not get very far. I am going to get back to it eventually but right now I am not using it.

Sorry, I can't be more help!

Having read through it, it did seem to make sense.

Otherwise have you considered trying Jimmy Bruno's website, I think that could help as well!

I think that could really help your soloing:

Learn Jazz Guitar | Jimmy Bruno Guitar Workshop

alanfaber · #23 03-18-2012, 06:48 PM

Thanks for your prompt reply.

The truth is, I keep on buying books and dvds. I start them and then put them aside. PWYH is probably worth the $48, if I followed it through to completion. I've gotta stop doing that, though.

Thanks for the suggestion of the Jimmy Bruno Guitar Workshop.
I have heard good things about it.
I did almost sign up for the Martin Taylor Guitar Academy, but then I realized I don't even give enough time to the things that my excellent guitar teacher assigns me, so I should stop spreading myself so thin.

Alan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpeli

Unfortunately, I got distracted by other guitar related things so I haven't been consistent with it. It seemed good to start with but I did not get very far. I am going to get back to it eventually but right now I am not using it.

Sorry, I can't be more help!

Having read through it, it did seem to make sense.

Otherwise have you considered trying Jimmy Bruno's website, I think that could help as well!

I think that could really help your soloing:

Learn Jazz Guitar | Jimmy Bruno Guitar Workshop

Morpeli · #24 03-18-2012, 07:00 PM

I am exactly the same - I buy DVDs and books and never just concentrate on one of them at a time, so that is what I am doing now. I now concentrate more on one or two books and try to finish them. Just owning new books and resources doesn't mean your playing will definitely improve, only putting in the time to go through those books will help your playing improve!

The JB site is good because he watches your videos, I think that can be invaluable! At least you are dealing with a live person.

Yes maybe you should concentrate on what your teacher gives you to do!