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Old 10-14-2011, 06:26 PM
 
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Default The man who killed jazz?

The Worst Songwriter of All Time - Slate Magazine

"...so debauched the currency of mainstream Tin Pan Alley that it had no moral authority to resist rock 'n' roll."
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste or intelligence of the American public."
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:33 PM
 
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The man who Killed Jazz?

I'm late to the party but I tend to agree with the notion that Coltrane's self indulgent 30+ minute squeak fart solos nailed the coffin shut.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:13 PM
 
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The man who Killed Jazz?

I'm late to the party but I tend to agree with the notion that Coltrane's self indulgent 30+ minute squeak fart solos nailed the coffin shut.
Who's Coltrane? Is he one of these "modern" guitar players that can't play but "jams" all the time? Sounds like a real winner. I think I hate him already. Is he on YouTube?
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If you really want an eye opener, watch the film "Jazz On A Summer's Day".

Great performances and Chuck Berry backed by Jack Teagarden's band.

They really didn't know how to play rock and roll. He does a solo bit which

showed how much guts he had.


Jazz covers such a wide range of musical styles and spans almost a hundred years, so how can it die?
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:09 PM
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Who's Coltrane? Is he one of these "modern" guitar players that can't play but "jams" all the time? Sounds like a real winner. I think I hate him already. Is he on YouTube?
David
Dunno if he is on youtube but he has quite a devoted group of fans St. John Coltrane African Orthodox Church
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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If you really want an eye opener, watch the film "Jazz On A Summer's Day".

Great performances and Chuck Berry backed by Jack Teagarden's band.

They really didn't know how to play rock and roll. He does a solo bit which

showed how much guts he had.


Jazz covers such a wide range of musical styles and spans almost a hundred years, so how can it die?
Thanks for mentioning this film. I just ordered a copy.
I've never actually written a song, so I would hesitate to criticize someone who had that degree of success. Really, I'd rather listen to his admittedly mediocre tunes than most of what passes for music today.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:55 PM
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I really like Grant Green's version of 'People'. On the other hand, I don't have much interest in reading dissertations on who or what killed jazz.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:57 PM
 
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Oh look, THIS thread again...

Just listen with your heart and ears and not your brain.
Something profound might happen.
Not kidding. Really.

I think I am going to listen to Trane right now. Not Giants Steps era, no. The Illegal era when he played all those wrong notes. Man I love that stuff!
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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I really like Grant Green's version of 'People'. On the other hand, I don't have much interest in reading dissertations on who or what killed jazz.
Wow, I thought I had all of Grant's pop stuff. Did he do that on an album? Which one?
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Old 12-27-2011, 11:16 PM
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Wow, I thought I had all of Grant's pop stuff. Did he do that on an album? Which one?
It's on "Talkin' About" - hardly pop stuff, one of his best albums imo, with Larry Young and Elvin Jones.
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"Talkin' Bout" is one of those records I reccommend to folks when they say something like "Grant Green was only good over one chord vamps" or something else misinformed...good call on a great record.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:15 AM
 
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The man who Killed Jazz?

I'm late to the party but I tend to agree with the notion that Coltrane's self indulgent 30+ minute squeak fart solos nailed the coffin shut.
Strange. All those players that came after, that influenced all the players that came after them..... etc... might have a different take on it.

Mind you, I get what ya mean..... same with Piccasso... all cubes and slapped arses where the head should be.
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