Jimmy Bruno's Guitar Workshop.....

Flyin' Brian · #1 03-24-2011, 07:57 PM

.....officially (re) opens tomorrow.

Jimmy's no nonsense approach to jazz may not appeal to academics, but it surely does a great job of educating jazz players. His program WILL have you improvising and you'll get around the neck better than ever.

Jimmy Bruno Jazz Guitar, Music Educator, online guitar lessons

markerhodes · #2 03-25-2011, 06:35 AM

I think he's dogging it in the video of right hand tips when he says 'here how it sounds when the pick is perpendicular to the strings.' He's *trying* to make it sound bad. It's one thing to say he prefers to angle the pick, perhaps that increases speed, but to suggest that striking the strings without angling the pick *sounds bad* is overkill. Hell, it's just false.

lindydanny · #3 03-25-2011, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by markerhodes

I think he's dogging it in the video of right hand tips when he says 'here how it sounds when the pick is perpendicular to the strings.' He's *trying* to make it sound bad. It's one thing to say he prefers to angle the pick, perhaps that increases speed, but to suggest that striking the strings without angling the pick *sounds bad* is overkill. Hell, it's just false.

I think I missed something...

~DB

markerhodes · #4 03-25-2011, 08:31 AM

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I think I missed something...

It's in the "Fundamentals" set under the "Transition School" lessons.

Flyin' Brian · #5 03-25-2011, 10:11 AM

Although I'm a fan, I'm not a "fanboy" so this is simply a suggestion, not an attempt to defend or any of that other nonsense.

If it sounds bad to him, who am I or anyone else to say that it doesn't sound that way to Jimmy or anyone else. We all listen with our own ears. Some people hated Metheny's "old" tone, others miss it. The point is Metheny doesn't like it. Many here go nuts about flatwound strings. Vic Juris has said he'll never use them and hates the sound. In this case JB doesn't like the tone the HE hears. False?? Nah.

No issue with me anywhere, and I don't get the idea that he's "dogging it"

Chacon a son gout.

markerhodes · #6 03-25-2011, 11:51 AM

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In this case JB doesn't like the tone the HE hears. False?? Nah.

No issue with me anywhere, and I don't get the idea that he's "dogging it"
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He didn't say *he* didn't like the sound. He said it was a bad sound. There is a difference. (I don't care to hear Sarah Vaughan sing but I know she's a good singer. Conversely, I sometimes enjoy hearing Mick Jagger sing but I *don't* think he's a good singer at all.) In context, he is saying to You the Home Viewer, "If you strike the string with a pick this way, YOU will sound bad." That's far removed from "I prefer a slightly different sound."

And when Bruno *demonstrates* the sound of a pick striking a string while perpendicular to it, he *tries* to make it sound bad. (That's what I meant by dogging it.)

I've heard / seen a lot of players who angle their picks. In most cases, it is done to increase speed. Some people say it is a more "flowing" sound but I *never* heard anyone say that striking a string with a pick in the way that, say, Charlie Christian did *sounds* bad. Striking a string with a pick in the conventional way does *not* sound bad. You may prefer a different sound, but that does not mean the conventional one is a bad sound.

Flyin' Brian · #7 03-25-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by markerhodes

He didn't say *he* didn't like the sound. He said it was a bad sound. There is a difference. (I don't care to hear Sarah Vaughan sing but I know she's a good singer. Conversely, I sometimes enjoy hearing Mick Jagger sing but I *don't* think he's a good singer at all.) In context, he is saying to You the Home Viewer, "If you strike the string with a pick this way, YOU will sound bad." That's far removed from "I prefer a slightly different sound."

And when Bruno *demonstrates* the sound of a pick striking a string while perpendicular to it, he *tries* to make it sound bad. (That's what I meant by dogging it.)

I've heard / seen a lot of players who angle their picks. In most cases, it is done to increase speed. Some people say it is a more "flowing" sound but I *never* heard anyone say that striking a string with a pick in the way that, say, Charlie Christian did *sounds* bad. Striking a string with a pick in the conventional way does *not* sound bad. You may prefer a different sound, but that does not mean the conventional one is a bad sound.

I hear ya believe me.

Jimmy's pretty hard core and a bit stubborn. I can see him saying that a sound he likes is a bad" sound. I used to do that all the time myself, but decided that it was easier to say that I didn't care for something rather than "it sucks".

We're on the same page here...but with the interaction I've had via email etc with Jimmy, I get him. He would call virtually all of the heavy duty theory discussion that goes on here "bullshit", where I (and I'd expect you too) would simply say "That approach doesn't work for me."

Chacon a son gout.

markerhodes · #8 03-25-2011, 03:38 PM

The difference though is that this isn't a theoretical discussion and further SOME good jazz players---Charlie Christian leaps to mind---played by holding a pick the conventional way.

I understand when Jimmy wants to teach people to play fast that the angle helps. (I'm not sure how much it helps, but I'll grant that some people find it helpful and leave it at that.) But in that vid, he's clearly *trying* to sound crappy when claiming to demonstrate how a guitar sounds when a pick crosses a string in the conventional way. Pure BS. If he's the stand-up, no nonsense guy you say he is---and I don't doubt it--he'd probably admit he was spreading it a little too thick there.

Flyin' Brian · #9 03-25-2011, 03:44 PM

Probably. But I find arguing about it a waste of time.

Baltar Hornbeek · #10 03-26-2011, 12:10 AM

huh, I always liked Jimmie B....I'm sad to learn he's such a *scoundrel*

Flyin' Brian · #11 03-26-2011, 12:23 AM

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huh, I always liked Jimmie B....I'm sad to learn he's such a *scoundrel*

LOL. He's a badass...but that refers to his playing ability.

docbop · #12 03-26-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyin' Brian

But I find arguing about it a waste of time.

+10000000000000000000 rather be playing or listening to music.

Flyin' Brian · #13 03-26-2011, 09:34 AM

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+10000000000000000000 rather be playing or listening to music.

Yep. And back on topic, the school is $50 per QUARTER, which gets you unlimited access. Pretty good deal in my book.

Modalguru · #14 03-28-2011, 01:41 AM

Anyone enroled at the new JB school already? What are the differences compared to the old one?

Cheers, Modalguru

abracadabra · #15 03-28-2011, 07:45 AM

I'm gonna take the plunge again in a couple of weeks, but I'd also like to know what's in there compared to the old one. I guess he must have been recording a whole lot of lessons over the last few months. Is it anywhere near as big as the old site?

Sandor · #16 03-28-2011, 02:19 PM

I also want to hear how the new school compares to the old. I wish he left the forums open to the public so we could hear from all the students.

It doesn't really matter, but I hate the new logo. Reminds me of a children's hospital or daycare.

MGranada · #17 03-28-2011, 04:23 PM

http://jimmybruno.com/forum/index.php

Forum page

Drumbler · #18 03-28-2011, 04:26 PM

Jimmy is Jimmy.

If he's there it will be good.

Baltar Hornbeek · #19 03-28-2011, 04:52 PM

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LOL. He's a badass...

Them old school forearm tats mean business. He's from Brooklyn, right?

Flyin' Brian · #20 03-28-2011, 06:39 PM

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Them old school forearm tats mean business. He's from Brooklyn, right?

Philadelphia.

And on a separate note...you enroll to learn jazz. You'll do that with Jimmy. Complaining about the logo is meaningless. And somebody already put up the link to the forums, which have always been free. There is more material on the new site than on the old one.

Jazzpunk · #21 03-28-2011, 06:52 PM

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Philadelphia.

And on a separate note...you enroll to learn jazz. You'll do that with Jimmy. Complaining about the logo is meaningless. And somebody already put up the link to the forums, which have always been free. There is more material on the new site than on the old one.

I enrolled in the new JBGW school yesterday. There is way less material up at this point than there used to be on the old site (though I know there is more coming). Am I missing out on additional resources or something?

Sandor · #22 03-28-2011, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyin' Brian

Philadelphia.

And on a separate note...you enroll to learn jazz. You'll do that with Jimmy. Complaining about the logo is meaningless. And somebody already put up the link to the forums, which have always been free. There is more material on the new site than on the old one.

Uh yeah, I kinda said it didn't matter...
Although, a good logo is often the difference between someone uninformed deciding to investigate further or pass something by.

As for the forum, the administrators said themselves that they will only be for the paying students once the new school opened. They already took the link off the site, they must have overlooked the fact that you could just type in the same url, for now.

I'm not wanting to start a stupid internet argument, but this seemed like somewhat of an attack on my post. Disregard if this is off base.

momotor · #23 03-28-2011, 11:51 PM

I was a student at his old site too. And I've just checked out his sample video on his new site:
Learn Jazz Guitar | Jimmy Bruno Guitar Workshop

What a coincidence that I'm learning to play Green Dolphin Street in chord melody style! (In fact, I posted a request to the CM sub-forum a few days ago) Does his new school provide TABs (for this song in particular?) I could only figure out a few chords that he played from his video.

Thanks!

Flyin' Brian · #24 03-28-2011, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

I enrolled in the new JBGW school yesterday. There is way less material up at this point than there used to be on the old site (though I know there is more coming). Am I missing out on additional resources or something?

I thought that 45 lessons put up for the first 3 days was pretty good. There are 18 lead sheets above and beyond the songs that have videos posted. Maybe I'm wrong.

Jazzpunk · #25 03-28-2011, 11:59 PM

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Does his new school provide TABs (for this song in particular?) I could only figure out a few chords that he played from his video.

Thanks!

No tabs/chart for this tune.

Flyin' Brian · #26 03-29-2011, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandor

Uh yeah, I kinda said it didn't matter...
Although, a good logo is often the difference between someone uninformed deciding to investigate further or pass something by.

As for the forum, the administrators said themselves that they will only be for the paying students once the new school opened. They already took the link off the site, they must have overlooked the fact that you could just type in the same url, for now.

I'm not wanting to start a stupid internet argument, but this seemed like somewhat of an attack on my post. Disregard if this is off base.

No sorry I didn't mean it that way at all. I was just more interested in the music. Sorry if I sounded like I was attacking. I think they're trying to leave the forum open for now simply to bring in more "tire kickers". Eventually it should be closed and available only for members, with maybe some examples like the sample lesson for the public.

Jazzpunk · #27 03-29-2011, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyin' Brian

I thought that 45 lessons put up for the first 3 days was pretty good. Maybe I'm wrong.

Brian, I was commenting on your statement that 'there is more material on the new site than the old site'. That statement confused me as there is clearly less material on the new site at this point. What did you mean by that?

I'm sure the new school will be great once everything's up there, it's just not up there yet. No need to get defensive about it, I'm just stating the facts not dissing the guy.

Good to see Bruno up and running though and I look forward to watching the site evolve!

Modalguru · #28 03-29-2011, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyin' Brian

I thought that 45 lessons put up for the first 3 days was pretty good. There are 18 lead sheets above and beyond the songs that have videos posted. Maybe I'm wrong.

Well, 45 is a good number for the start. He only had a short period to do those.
I've been a member of his old school for 3 month only, because I got a very good local teacher, but I found his style of presenting the material very motivating...

cmajor9 · #29 03-29-2011, 07:31 AM

Could anyone who has signed up for the new workshop confirm that it works okay on a Macintosh computer? Does it rely on Flash?

GodinFan · #30 03-29-2011, 09:11 AM

The vids are HTML 5 - they work on my iPhone.