Please help me find these chords

[elixzer]

Can anyone help me find these chords---in just one position (dont want to tax you):

This is the chhord progression, and I am putting in bold the chords I don't know, and would like to finger:

Am AmMajor7 Am7 D7no5 Dm7no5 F7no3 Amb5 E E7

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Give a man to fish or teach him to fish?

[mr. beaumont]

i say teach a man.

here's those chord formulas...

m/maj7 R, b3, 5, 7

m7(no 5) R, b3, b7

7(no 3) R, 5, b7 (i'd be tempted to make this a 7sus and add a 4)

mb5 R, b3, b5

All chords are based off the major scale, so for an Am/maj7, you take the A major scale--A B C# D E F# G #, number the notes, and go from there...

So here's a freebie: Am/maj7 is A, C, E, G#

so about the voicings...well, they're anywhere you can play those notes...and let it be known, you don't always need a root...or a fifth...or...

[Bill C]

Originally Posted by elixzer

Can anyone help me find these chords---in just one position (dont want to tax you):

This is the chhord progression, and I am putting in bold the chords I don't know, and would like to finger:

Am AmMajor7 Am7 D7no5 Dm7no5 F7no3 Amb5 E E7

take a look at this ...

Jazz Guitar Chord Theory

[Scrybe]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

Give a man to fish or teach him to fish?

Guess it also depends if he's vegetarian or not. If so, neither will be of much use.

[elixzer]

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

i say teach a man.

here's those chord formulas...

m/maj7 R, b3, 5, 7

m7(no 5) R, b3, b7

7(no 3) R, 5, b7 (i'd be tempted to make this a 7sus and add a 4)

mb5 R, b3, b5

All chords are based off the major scale, so for an Am/maj7, you take the A major scale--A B C# D E F# G #, number the notes, and go from there...

So here's a freebie: Am/maj7 is A, C, E, G#

so about the voicings...well, they're anywhere you can play those notes...and let it be known, you don't always need a root...or a fifth...or...

what does 'no 5' '3', etc mean?

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Originally Posted by elixzer

what does 'no 5' '3', etc mean?

A triad consists of a root, third and fifth. For example the C major triad is C E G. A seventh chord consists of a root third, fifth and seventh. For example, the G seventh chord is G B D F. "No 5" means just that -- omit the fifth note, G7(no 5) is G B F.

[Double 07]

I'd give him some fish, a tackle box with some tackle and bait in it, a good fishing rod, AND teach him to fish.

[mr. beaumont]

i hope my post is at least a rod and reel...

[elixzer]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

A triad consists of a root, third and fifth. For example the C major triad is C E G. A seventh chord consists of a root third, fifth and seventh. For example, the G seventh chord is G B D F. "No 5" means just that -- omit the fifth note, G7(no 5) is G B F.

haha right so it is 'no' not 'number'?

[billkath]

Correct. If it was a contraction of the word "Number" it would have a full stop/period-thus--"No." An example would be "Mambo No. 5".

[fep]

He's hungry now, I'm going to give him some fish:




It's a good progression until you have the Am7b5 after the F7, those chords sound too similar and are substitutions for each other, not much interesting voice leading you can do with those two. Omit the Am7b5 and go straight to the E and it's a better progression imho. And why no 3rd on the F7 chord?

[elixzer]

Sounds all good to me, though i no wayyyy got it flowing yet. But a really beautiful progression. Is it yours?

[fep]

Originally Posted by elixzer

Sounds all good to me, though i no wayyyy got it flowing yet. But a really beautiful progression. Is it yours?

Thanks for the compliment but; that's funny... actually lot's of people use those chords. In jazz you learn a lot of chords and how to put them together. This is what you should be able to do... even just an intermediate player like me.

Here's another way to play thru that progression. Note you don't have tho stick to the exact definition (i.e. whether you omit a 3rd or 5th, or add a 9th etc.) As long as your ear tells you it works over the progression then it's all good:



Edit: oops I should have called the F9 a F13

[elixzer]

I will be definiately looking at them later. I am currently looking at this YouTube - Kanaal van creativeguitarstudio

just curious if you got time. When he gins to show the chords E/D and B/A what jazz tune does this remind you off?? the beginning of it I mean

[larry graves]

Originally Posted by fep

Thanks for the compliment but; that's funny... actually lot's of people use those chords. In jazz you learn a lot of chords and how to put them together. This is what you should be able to do... even just an intermediate player like me.

Here's another way to play thru that progression. Note you don't have tho stick to the exact definition (i.e. whether you omit a 3rd or 5th, or add a 9th etc.) As long as your ear tells you it works over the progression then it's all good:



Edit: oops I should have called the F9 a F13

You should have have called D7 a D9 I dont think we use 7th's anymore, do we?..

[mr. beaumont]

well, he'd have to get an E in there first, right?

"yeah man, straight up 7th are so, swing, y'know?"

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

When I see a chord progression with unusual instructions, like "D7no5 Dm7no5 F7no3", my first thought is WTF? You have to take some charts with a grain of salt: who wrote them? A piano player who doesn't understand how chords lie on the guitar's neck? Someone who was just transcribing backwards from horn parts, say? Or maybe someone who practically has specific voicings in mind for guitar chords -- in which case, why didn't they just write those down?

In short, sometimes you have to ignore what's written, or get past it to mindread the intent of whoever wrote it down. It's not set in stone. This is jazz, after all.

[elixzer]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

When I see a chord progression with unusual instructions, like "D7no5 Dm7no5 F7no3", my first thought is WTF? You have to take some charts with a grain of salt: who wrote them? A piano player who doesn't understand how chords lie on the guitar's neck? Someone who was just transcribing backwards from horn parts, say? Or maybe someone who practically has specific voicings in mind for guitar chords -- in which case, why didn't they just write those down?

In short, sometimes you have to ignore what's written, or get past it to mindread the intent of whoever wrote it down. It's not set in stone. This is jazz, after all.

I'll give you the little story how i came to that little progression. Well it started when I found this chord i liked, x545xx and so I ASSUMED it was a certain chord but I tried it at Chord Designer and found it was called D7no5

sothen i Googled the chord to find if there was any jazz progression and there was only really this link (though i've just tried again and thers more including this forum now I have brought it up )

click me - The Compleat Grateful Dead Discography

"The Jazz Voice: A Compilation Of Jazz Vocalists - var. ...... The "Sunshine Daydream" part appears to have the same chord progression ...... After a week of digging, Am AmMaj7 Am7 D7no5 Dm7no5 F7no3 Amb5 E E7 finally nailed it proper. ... "