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Old 03-27-2010, 10:37 PM
 
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Default What Chords can you make out of a CMAJ7?

What are all the Chords you can make out of a CMAJ7 chord
by moving the notes of the chord around?

example

CMAJ7 - C E G B flat the E and get a mMaj7 and so on..
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Old 03-28-2010, 12:21 AM
 
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It depends on the rules of how far you can move each note. Too many.

7th chord formulas

1 3 5 7
1 3 5 b7
1 3 #5 7
1 3 #5 b7
1 3 b5 7
1 3 b5 b7
1 b3 5 7
1 b3 5 b7
1 b3 b5 7
1 b3 b5 b7
1 b3 b5 bb7
1 4 5 7
1 4 5 b7
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:21 AM
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If you're talking stand alone chords (i.e. no one else is playing the bass note), triadic chords need at least a root and a third to sound like a chord so you can get away with the 5th being implied...

C E is C major
G B is G major
E G is E minor

G B E is G6
(G C almost Gsus4, but that is pretty ambigious without the 5th so I'd say it doesn't count).

I think that's it for conventional harmony.

And oh yeah, Cmaj7 of course.
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Hey, don't forget 1 b3 #5 b7, Cmi7#5

For kicks, after you* get these down try them over a non chord tone bass note. Move the bass through the cycle of 4ths while keeping the Cma7

Cma7/F Cma7/Bb Cma7/Eb etc

Some choices will be better than others. It's all a matter of taste


*you meaning no one in particular
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You guys are changing and adding notes. Although, I was subtracting notes so perhaps that's also breaking the rules.

He said moving notes. If all you do is move notes but stick with C E G B, then it only spells one chord Cmaj7. The method of determining a chord is to restack all the notes you can in thirds, doing that you'll only get one chord for those notes.

Bobsguitar perhaps you should explain why you want to know this and you'll get better answers.
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:08 PM
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Or he can leave it vague and get some pretty cool answers.
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Vague ain't the word for it.
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This may help: Chords and Their Symbols Part1-3
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Hey, don't forget 1 b3 #5 b7, Cmi7#5
I didn't forget it but I get confused about in which voicing collection to consider it.

CEbG#Bb---Cm7#5
AbCEbBb---Abma(add9)
BbAbCEb---Ab/Bb what Mick Goodrick refers to as Triad Over Bass II

Triad Over Bass I---- 1 5 7 9
Triad Over Bass II---1 7 9 11

All other scale derived triad over bass chords have a duplicate tone or are inverted 7th chords.

What name I call the chord is clarified by the context but organizing it for practice confuses me.
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I didn't forget it but I get confused about in which voicing collection to consider it.

CEbG#Bb---Cm7#5
AbCEbBb---Abma(add9)
BbAbCEb---Ab/Bb what Mick Goodrick refers to as Triad Over Bass II

Triad Over Bass I---- 1 5 7 9
Triad Over Bass II---1 7 9 11

All other scale derived triad over bass chords have a duplicate tone or are inverted 7th chords.

What name I call the chord is clarified by the context but organizing it for practice confuses me.

Yes it is definately a chord that is defined more by context then by stacked 3rds. You did such a thorough job in your post that I was suprised you didn't list it

You probably found this one already but I like to add the 9th to this chord and to the arpeggio. Especially with the #5 in the bass.

The m7#5 ia another one of those "'Swiss Army Knife" style chords like the Maj7#5. Good for just about any situation
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If you're talking stand alone chords (i.e. no one else is playing the bass note)
thx fep.
when the bass player plays the PEDAL Note you can chose every note of the scale (the best is LIDIAN) but what about when the bass player simply playng his way through the changes?? do we need the root and 3rds and 7ths??
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The m7#5 ia another one of those "'Swiss Army Knife" style chords like the Maj7#5. Good for just about any situation
John,
That's a funny image but right on point.

I should have included it as a 7th.

I tend to study it as part of the triad over bass series but use it with the versatility that you describe.
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