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Originally Posted by docbop
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07-08-2017 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by EGad
Of course the biggest fear of encountering a chord like this is that an astute audience member is going to call you out as a fraud and shame you in front of everyone for playing only 3 of the 4 notes.
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OP's chord diagram gave me arthritis. And I thought the double-barre Fmaj7 voicing was a bitch.
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
going to X X 10 10 6 6 then back to start it's a great little intro to a Steely Dan-ish Rhythm thing. Almost like Chain Lighning but hitting twice on lower voicing..
Then to X 11 9 11 5 5 ( pretty chord arpeggiated too)
Then X 9 7 9 5 5
I have been hunting for cool voicings for a very long time...having nothing to do with Jazz..just because many of the Closed or even sometimes larger forms sound better or are better Pivot Chords etc.
Although I am very Jazz Infuenced now - in some ways especially Soloing - sometimes on certain Tunes and have written two Jazz Blues - specifically voiced like in Pop ..the Voicings often become part of the Tune..younger Jazzers do that now on some Originals.
Also sometimes the common tones of larger 5 and 6 note chords connect better...
And I can get stronger Harmonic Rhythms with some Voicings....
EADGBE is a PITA but man there are so many cool voicings in a 6 fret span..
I have a small but stretchy fret hand but I don't want to pop a tendon so I don't care if they are difficult as long as not injurious.
Also the reason is not to do some weird chord that doesn't fit it's to get a cool sounding chord that fits better and Rocks or Grooves or Bossas ,Sambas or maybe Swings harder better.Last edited by Robertkoa; 07-10-2017 at 03:43 PM.
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Barry Galbraith sometimes had students who cooked up chords like that. His usual comment was: "Nah, too hard." His point was that chords that hard should not be used if they halted the smooth flow from chord to chord.
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I have heard Joe F. Pass say essentially the same thing.
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I have heard some stretchy players say, essentially, that no chord is too hard. They remind you that your first barre F seemed impossible. Obviously, there are chords that are too hard, and I have heard guys screw up the time while they pretzeled themselves into some weird grip, but maybe there is a point. Marcos Tardelli, comes to mind as a guy who has mastered a lot of unusual grips.
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Originally Posted by eh6794
Last edited by wolflen; 07-09-2017 at 05:37 PM.
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Originally Posted by docbop
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
Eric Johnson
Ben Monder
muris varajic
Guthrie govan
and many names we have not heard of...the most difficult chords can be played "true" with enough determination..
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Originally Posted by wolflen
It's not that difficult, and is a life-saver for getting some pretty cool voicings.
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I can do it, but I can't do it in a quick musical way
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
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Originally Posted by jayv999
And I asked for inversions with all the Notes ( no doublings was the Thread )..
And Fuzzthebee ( Forum Member ) quickly came up with really cool inversions using that' giant curved Index' I have used it on top two strings or three but
NEVER thought of a 'giant curve ' like that.
I never would have either and I do Mini Barrès with every finger ..etc. but that is crazy and good and on simpler voicings you can suspend and add Rhythmic Extensions on and off - so cool.
Don't know if Fuzzthebee got it from Greene or is just super clever himself - or both.
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There are many great voicings when you start stretching 5 and 6 frets I avoid 7 *..my fret hand is a half inch
larger from doing this for so long ..really .
* also that is not a particulary cool sounding one - got to be a "money chord" to stretch that far - ha.
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Originally Posted by fuzzthebee
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Originally Posted by oldane
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My thought every time there's a "who can play this voicing" thread, is that Tommy Tedesco could likely play that voicing, but he wouldn't because there's no need for it.
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Originally Posted by eh6794-2.0
My Rule is IF it's hard to Play it BETTER be a 'Money Chord ' that either sounds really good or has a mood or vibe OR it gets me somewhere very smoothly like a great Pivot Chord:
This is not that hard but is a GREAT Pivot Chord
7 - 5 - 5 - 2 - 2- 2 - it will smoothly flow or Modulate to at least 6 or 7 different Minor 7th Chords without even revoicing the Destination Chord ( meaning standard root position on E String Voicing 1- b3 - b7 etc . ) And many others. It will get you to any Tonic Voicing in ALL KEYS - Major or Minor with very little voice leading.
AND smooth enough to be on a POP recording ...
That's why it's a Money Chord ...
Stuff that's really hard to Play but doesn't sound very good to *quote Mozart ' suchz'.
*may not be an exact quoteLast edited by Robertkoa; 10-26-2017 at 01:45 PM.
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
I remember one of the Side Effects for one Prescription Commercial included ' unusual dreams '...
I was thinking' hmmmm that sounds interesting ..I wonder if it's really cool like 'Twilight Zone ' in 3D'.
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Originally Posted by Lionelsax
I still can't picture how this would work with a thumb though, which thumb?
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Originally Posted by guitarmek
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