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Old 11-08-2011, 08:25 AM
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Default another (newbie) epiphany moment for me?

So I was just transposing my copy of Fly Me To The Moon in Eb to C so that I could practice with posting in the practical standards post.

In this song (in the 557 copy, in Eb) the coda begins with a b13(#11) chord. While transposing, I realized that my fingers could play these notes in a 7#9 form (adding the root into the base). So, after transposing into C, the Bb13(#11) could be played like a E7#9/Bb!

Is this a tri tone sub???
Or is this just a different spelling of the same chord?

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Old 11-08-2011, 01:10 PM
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Yes, a tri-tone sub is replacing a 7th chord with another 7th chord a diminished 5th away, and vice versa, so E7 can be replaced by Bb7, D7 by Ab7 etc. and they are interchangeable.

You can add any alterations like #9, b5, #5 and colourations like a 13, etc. with that 7th chord.

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Old 11-08-2011, 02:06 PM
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You can work this out yourself, but when using TT substitution:

R <=> #11 (b5)
b9 <=> 5
9 <=> #5 (b13)
#9 <=> 13
3 <=> b7
4 (11) <=> 7
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:18 PM
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Cool. Thanks guys. Still gettin' my head around this stuff.
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