Gm6b5 ?

[cosmic gumbo]

QUIZ: What is the correct name for Gm6b5 ?

[Vihar]

G°7

[billkath]

Originally Posted by Vihar

G°7

That's what I'd call it too.

[Gerard45]

Originally Posted by Vihar

G°7

I agree.

[JakeAcci]

Depending on context, the right name for it might be Gm6b5.

[drobniuch]

Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo

QUIZ: What is the correct name for Gm6b5 ?

Bb Dorian or Bb Melodic Minor

[cosmic gumbo]

Originally Posted by Vihar

G°7

That's the answer I was going for.

[robertm2000]

Isn't that just a diminished chord?

[kenbennett]

diminished 7th

I can't imagine a context where in should be called Gm6b5.

[timscarey]

C, Eb, Gb, or A7(b9)......

Or... G diminished 7

Depends on the context I suppose.

[marcwhy]

Originally Posted by kenbennett

diminished 7th

I can't imagine a context where in should be called Gm6b5.

Exactly.

[Reg]

If followed by Fmin. could be C7b9/G. V7b9 , I- .(F harmonic Min) Or theoretically some one could really mean a G-6b5... With tri-tone resolving, pretty difficult to hear as II-6b5 chord...

[JakeAcci]

I was struggling to hear it as Gm6b5 as well, but my point was that depending on context it could be a lot of things. I didn't really understand the point of the post.

[bako]

When is G Bb Db F a Gm7b5 and when is it G Half Diminished? They are both widely used names for the same spelling.
I mostly call it half diminished because I learnt the chord in the context of adding 7ths to a diminished triad
(dimMa7, half diminished, diminished) Due to typewriter limitations I call it a m7b5 in this forum.
It is equally well understood under both names.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Gm6b5 except that it is not in common use.

Technically the spelling difference is:

Gm6b5---G Bb Db E---but this is understood as an inversion of Edim---E G Bb Db

Gdim-----G Bb Db Fb

In the end as composers/arrangers/chart writers we want our intentions understood to facilitate easy sight reading and as player/music readers figure out the meaning of all the written symbols and make something beautiful happen.

[brwnhornet59]

Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo

QUIZ: What is the correct name for Gm6b5 ?

If playing a Dim triad add 6 then yes. If you are using the bb7, then it is Dim7.

[matt.guitarteacher]

Originally Posted by bako

When is G Bb Db F a Gm7b5 and when is it G Half Diminished? They are both widely used names for the same spelling.
I mostly call it half diminished because I learnt the chord in the context of adding 7ths to a diminished triad
(dimMa7, half diminished, diminished) Due to typewriter limitations I call it a m7b5 in this forum.
It is equally well understood under both names.

I think the typewriter thing may be part of it, but I think m7b5 is used because it functions as the ii chord in minor.

[Reg]

Yea...pretty straight ahead... the analysis would fill in the rest of the pitch collection, imply function, how you could approach, soloing, subs, chord patterns, re-harms yada yada... as I usually say... first layer of understanding... not much, the further down the line you get... the bigger the difference. Obviously, that path is not well traveled. Reg

[Vihar]

I have to say, this thread turned out to be quite comical.

[princeplanet]

[Reg]

Originally Posted by Vihar

I have to say, this thread turned out to be quite comical.

yea... there's a lot of "quite comical" on this forum

[JakeAcci]

Quiz: What is the correct name for a Maj7#9b7omit3?

Winner gets nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Originally Posted by JakeAcci

Quiz: What is the correct name for a Maj7#9b7omit3?

Winner gets nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[JakeAcci]

BDLH your sig always makes me chuckle. Reel good...

[JensL]

Originally Posted by JakeAcci

Quiz: What is the correct name for a Maj7#9b7omit3?

Winner gets nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Cmin7 with accidental open B string?

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Feel free to email nothing to me

Jens

[Tom Karol]

Interestingly enough, iim7b5's are often notated as ivm6th's in older charts.
They're enharmonically the same of course:
Dm7b5 ... D F Ab C;
Fm6 ... F Ab C D.

[brwnhornet59]

Yeah, F-6 is the first inversion of D-7b5.

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Originally Posted by Tom Karol

Interestingly enough, iim7b5's are often notated as ivm6th's in older charts.
They're enharmonically the same of course:
Dm7b5 ... D F Ab C;
Fm6 ... F Ab C D.

I think it's like that in the Johnny Smith book.

[JakeAcci]

Originally Posted by JensL

Cmin7 with accidental open B string?

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Feel free to email nothing to me

Jens

heh well I was thinking the 7 becomes a b7, so it was just a m7 in total, but chord terminology is so tricky these days

at a session or a gig I just say "it's the one that goes after the other one" and that's usually descriptive enough

[randalljazz]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

I think it's like that in the Johnny Smith book.

js makes a distinction between half diminished and mi7b5 in his method...something about function, iirc,...logical but fussy...

[JensL]

Originally Posted by JakeAcci

heh well I was thinking the 7 becomes a b7, so it was just a m7 in total, but chord terminology is so tricky these days

Interesting

By what kind of chords does that happen? I don't think I ever saw that.
or noticed it anyway.

Jens