Changes in mind ...

[pingu]

I'm interested how you guys think of harmony

if (in C) you had changes fo r a tune you were memorising
for ex

|C | C#O |Dmin7 |E7 |
|Amin| D7| F#min7b5 B7| Emin7 |

how would you put that to memory

like this
| I | #io | ii | III7 |
| vi | II7 | bvb5 VII7 | iii |

or like this ?
| I | #io | ii | Vof vi |
|vi | II7 | ii of iii , V7 of iii | iii |

another way ?

Im not interested in the "correct way" to write it down
but in how your mind functions

many thankyous

[whatswisdom]

D7 = V7 of V7

[Sandor]

This would be easiest to me


| I | #io | ii | III7 |
| vi | II7 | ii v i in e minor|

Unlesss you mean that the chords HAVE to be related to c major. I think trying to make the last part anything other than a minor ii v i is pointless.

[mr. beaumont]

I -VI(7b9) -ii, (V in Am), ii V in G, ii V i in Em.

Probably--that's without an instrument here to "think" on...

[whatswisdom]

C: I - I#o -ii7 - V7 of vi - vi - V7 of V
E minor: ii half-dim - V7 - i

(Can someone tell me where to find the vertical bar-line character on keyboard? Thanks!)

[pingu]

Originally Posted by whatswisdom

C: I - I#o -ii7 - V7 of vi - vi - V7 of V
E minor: ii half-dim - V7 - i

(Can someone tell me where to find the vertical bar-line character on keyboard? Thanks!)

(yeah - is well confusing as a bar line !
mines above the \ |||||| )

thats interesting guys thanks
some of yous guys think blaa in C , blaa in Amin , blaa in Emin

I might adapt that to
blaa in Tonic , blaa in rel minor , blaa in iii etc

Yeah thats good ..........what you think ?

[4thstuning]

Originally Posted by pingu

I'm interested how you guys think of harmony

if (in C) you had changes fo r a tune you were memorising
for ex

|C | C#O |Dmin7 |E7 |
|Amin| D7| F#min7b5 B7| Emin7 |

how would you put that to memory

like this
| I | #io | ii | III7 |
| vi | II7 | bvb5 VII7 | iii |

or like this ?
| I | #io | ii | Vof vi |
|vi | II7 | ii of iii , V7 of iii | iii |

another way ?

Im not interested in the "correct way" to write it down
but in how your mind functions

many thankyous

I simplify to the extreme:
1, b2, 2, 3,
6, 2, b5, 7, 3

that roman numeral and something of something stuff just adds a lot unnecessary complications IMO

[pingu]

love it man ........
you don't even specify Dom 7s for secondary Doms ......
in your head , do you just feel those ?

[pingu]

Also 4ths would you go as far as this in simplifiying ?

1, b2, 2, 3,
6, 6, 7, 3

[4thstuning]

Originally Posted by pingu

love it man ........
you don't even specify Dom 7s for secondary Doms ......
in your head , do you just feel those ?

The presumption of my simplified notation is that I've heard the tune before. It wouldn't work for someone who had never heard the tune because they would have to guess the chord qualities but after a run through they would know what the chords were.

I feel that this system helps me memorize more than I could with a more complex and formal system. Because it's simpler, it lets me visualize and organize common chord sequences in my head.

[4thstuning]

Originally Posted by pingu

Also 4ths would you go as far as this in simplifiying ?

1, b2, 2, 3,
6, 6, 7, 3

I probably wouldn't because I like spelling out all the ii-V-I(i)'s. I can see where others might though. That's a personal preference IMO.

[mr. beaumont]

I'm surprised so many people "think" diminished...I almost always relate a diminished chord to a dominant sub, if it's functioning as such...maybe I'm weird...

[whatswisdom]

Originally Posted by 4thstuning

It wouldn't work for someone who had never heard the tune because they would have to guess the chord qualities

That's when RNA can come in handy.

[whatswisdom]

Originally Posted by pingu

(yeah - is well confusing as a bar line !
mines above the \ |||||| )

Thanks. I'm empowered.

[4thstuning]

Originally Posted by whatswisdom

That's when RNA can come in handy.

True. RNA communicates more but at greater expense when it comes to memorizing a familiar tune.

[4thstuning]

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

I'm surprised so many people "think" diminished...I almost always relate a diminished chord to a dominant sub, if it's functioning as such...maybe I'm weird...

I hear you. I acknowledge the diminished chords because their root note is often important to the progression.

[mr. beaumont]

Originally Posted by 4thstuning

I hear you. I acknowledge the diminished chords because their root note is often important to the progression.

I hear that too...there's a difference, i think, in "playing the tune" and "blowing over the tune" I should have acknowledged...