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09-29-2010, 04:31 AM
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 Milestones Hi, this is my first posting. I have been working on the Miles Davis tune "Milestones" for some time and wanted to discuss with others the chord progression. There seems to be some dispute about that. Also I would like to discuss the sax improvisation. Anyone interested or knowledgeable about this? Ardy     |
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09-29-2010, 04:34 AM
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| old or new (bop or modal)?
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09-29-2010, 08:12 AM
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09-29-2010, 09:19 AM
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| Thanks. I am referring to the 1958 recording on Columbia records. I am not sure if it is Cannonball or Coltrane as both are credited on the recording, but yes, it is the first solo. One progression I have is Gm7, Am7, and BbM7 for the A section (key of F major) and Am7 for the B section. That works but so do other progressions. Ardy |
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#5
09-29-2010, 01:22 PM
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| This link is good for all kinds of transcriptions. You'll have to transpose it up to Gmi to play ti on the guitar and match the record. It's written for alto horn. The second one is the one that appears on the Milestones CD. 58-0204 |
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09-29-2010, 03:34 PM
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| It's been a while since I listened to this song, but the second I heard the first solo come in (that's Cannonball for sure), I was able to sing right along with it. Very memorable! This is one I'm putting on my "definitely must transcribe" list. As for the changes, I think the Gm7 - Am7 - BbM7 chords are right. They're basically just diatonic embellishments on the static im7 chord (Gm7 in this case). This is a modal tune - one of the first ever composed. |
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09-29-2010, 05:34 PM
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09-29-2010, 08:28 PM
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| Your welcome. How are things out your way? I was in Cardiff back in 1984 and like a dumb turist I got lost walking from the B&B to the center of town and down to Cardiff Castle. (I forgot the name of the B&B) Worse was that all the pubs closed up at 2pm |
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09-30-2010, 02:55 AM
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 Good. Thanks for asking. Just about to get my hands on an H575 this w/end if it's the right guitar. I'm up north in the mountains — not that fond of Cardiff (too easy to get lost in!!) Re. the pubs, you were lucky, back in '84 the pubs in parts of the west and north of the country still closed on Sundays. I have friends who used to drive 40 miles just to find an open pub on a Sunday. (I can hear you guys in Australia laughing at that vast distance from here!) Strange law — seems to have produced a split population — either teetotal or alcoholic. To get back on post. I've never really studied the tune and whenever I've played Milestones I've never been happy with my improvising over it, never seemed to breathe or hit the spot, but that Cannonball link points in the right direction. I was always playing G Dorian (that's Fmaj scale starting on G for those who don't know) over the A section and A dorian (Gmaj starting on A) over the bridge. The transcription on the Cannonball site says to play A natural minor on the bridge (Cmaj scale starting on the 6th note A). Makes perfect sense playing F then C rather than F then G. Sometimes, no matter how long you've been playing, you miss something soooo damned obvious — well, I find I do.  |
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10-02-2010, 11:16 AM
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F major contains: G dorian which is the A section more or less G major contains a dorian which you could use on the B section although it is A minor (aeolean) You could use whatever modes or scale you want depending on your playing level and what you hear. But since the Cannonball solo is so great, I would anylize that just to see what he uses. After I was comfortable with that then I might experiment. |
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10-03-2010, 02:24 AM
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10-04-2010, 09:49 AM
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10-04-2010, 09:58 AM
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| No kidding. I transcribed a Nat Adderley cornet solo a while back ("Jeannine"), but never really learned it up to speed. I think I justified it to myself at the time because "horns just play faster than the guitar." Baloney! Gotta go back and dig that one out again. |
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#16
10-04-2010, 10:03 AM
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| YouTube - Solo Coleman Hawkins Body and Soul ^That same guy's transcription of Coleman Hawkin's Body and Soul solo...I really love the way he tries to get all the subtle articulations in his transcriptions. Oh and that sick looking fingerstyle he's got going on doesn't hurt at all! Last edited by montes707 : 10-04-2010 at 10:09 AM. |
Anybody else out there working on this? 
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