Segovia Scales

[ZzaJMarc]

What exactly are Segovia Scales ? I heard Matt W. Talking about adam rogers who practiced a lot thoses scales and make his students check a lot of that stuff.

Is it a manner of practicing scales ? i saw that book last time (segovia - scales for classic guitar) is it what its all about ?

Thanks !
Marc

[m78w]

Yep, the term "segovia scales" is used to describe the fingerings he used for his book. The book goes for under 10$ and is well worth the bread.

MW

[ZzaJMarc]

Originally Posted by m78w

Yep, the term "segovia scales" is used to describe the fingerings he used for his book. The book goes for under 10$ and is well worth the bread.

MW

Ok cool, does practicing those is really good time investment ?

[m78w]

That depends. As far as scales go I like the fingerings because they shift across the neck up 2 to 3 octaves. So you will get out of playing "position" scales as they force you to shift in places you probably haven't thought of.

MW

[ZzaJMarc]

Originally Posted by m78w

That depends. As far as scales go I like the fingerings because they shift across the neck up 2 to 3 octaves. So you will get out of playing "position" scales as they force you to shift in places you probably haven't thought of.

MW

ok thanks, definitly gonna give it a try.

[JohnW400]

Here are some scales that I posted. I like these since they present alternate ways to play the notes.

The arpeggio study goes with it

[ZzaJMarc]

Thanks John, But those you posted looks like the "basics" positions i have learned when i was younger. The segovia scales kind of mix all of those in one.

But thanks for your help !

[bobsguitars09]

I found this but whats up with the c#?

http://chordmelody.org/pdf/Segovia%2...-Amin_0001.pdf

[m78w]

the tab is wrong, it's a B major scale for the first octave, then it looks like it comes back into C.

MW

[m78w]

Scratch that, the tab is wrong for both the major and the minor scales in this example.

MW

[hubert54]

hm
what's the matter about "Segovia scales"?
Sorry, I don't understand.
You want to play like "Segovia"?
major an minor scales?
Do you want to play Tuba or anything else?
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
But I am tyrolean, but I love flamenco.
Can you help me play Bossa Nova, without asking for scales?
I have a lot of guitars, and nobody helps me to destroy them...

all the best

Hubert

[hubert54]

hm,

U're talking about "fingering"?
Tell me what this is meant for.
Or maybe it's trying to somewhat calling expression
or pardon music? - hm what the hell are you asking for?

peg thousand pardons

it's only hubert

[ZzaJMarc]

Its ok, my question has been answered.

[oleo20]

hubert54,your posts make no sense!but they are quite funny!no offence!

[mike walker]

Why is a budgie?

Mike

[mangotango]

It's surreal thing.....

[hubert54]

hey oleo

you just got it! Shouldn't music make fun too?
without - hm - too much paranoid theory?
Someone told me something about a "surreal" thing...
a fact might be, why my "posts" are not intended to make sense,
I instead want to learn something about playing guitar...

and I appreciate anything that comes that way

stay tuned

hubert

[mike walker]

The theory is innocent. The notes are blameless. 'I can't stand people that play F. And when they play it fast, slow, straight, bent, swingy,
too seriously, with joy, with meaning, without meaning, it drives me nuts!!'


Mike

[hubert54]

hm,
can you explain to me ( a dumb tyrolean ), what you mean?
I can't stand the so called "Tyrolean folk music" or whatever
aber der Terminus "Segovia Scales" ging mir einfach auf die Nerven...
too many people seem to talk about music...
maybe it's lack of "non teaching, indoctrinating..

good luck

hubert

[hubert54]

jetzt muß ich Dir nochmals lästig fallen

interessant: it drives me nuts
ich ahne es zwar, aber wirklich verstehe ich es nicht

frei nach Victor Frankl : der Sinn des Lebens ist der "Unsinn"

what kind of instrument u're playing?

best regards or something else

hubert

[P_Jay]

Returning to the original post re: Segovia...When I played classical guitar I used a Segovia exercise perhaps for jazz players like this: 1, 2, 3, 4 fingers (lft hnd) top E, 4 frets, then 1, 2 fingers to B and G strings, fret 1 and 2. Play 4 beats alternating 1 and 2 fingers on B and G strings for four beats. Do the same alternating finger pattern (1, 2) with all the strings in any combination of strings. Then alternate with different finger combinations. So you could play using finger 1 and 2 between the B and G string (easy) or 3 and 4 finger between E (top) and A string (hard). I found it helped with shaping chords in particular.

[ronjazz]

The Segovia scales become a great daily warmup once they are internalized.

[TommyD]

A student once asked Segovia, "What's so important about scales?"
Segovia's answer; "Scales will solve all your problems."
I've thought about this answer, and I came to the realization that he was probably right. Think about it.
tommy/

[mattymel]

the segovia scales are a good technique building exercise. as with a good deal of his fingerings, they dont make sense in many ways. not intuitive. hence they are difficult and require many quick position shifts that ARE good for building technique. that being said, i would likely never use them in any musical setting. there are roughly 7 fingering patterns, and a few that occur only once.
but if you were to follow playing them everyday, through every key, and every right hand pattern (as suggested), you will probably get better. mainly since then you will be playing scales for about an hour and a half every day.

[ronjazz]

If you do play the Segovia scales everyday, they will become "intuitive", thus stretching your fingerboard concept and becoming musically useful.

[brad4d8]

Originally Posted by mattymel

there are roughly 7 fingering patterns, and a few that occur only once.
but if you were to follow playing them everyday, through every key, and every right hand pattern (as suggested), you will probably get better. mainly since then you will be playing scales for about an hour and a half every day.

I've had a couple of very good classical guitar teachers (and a few not so good), and they recommended a rotation that made you play every pattern daily, but not every scale. They also recommended a rotation of the 120 RH studies by Giuliani that brought you through all of them every week. So after a week you've played all the Segovia scales (some more than once) and all the Giuliani exercises. I would add that some of the Giuliani can be adapted to pick style, but some would need at least hybrid if not full fingerpicking. The big advantage of the Giuliani, as I see it, is that the LH is playing chords that shouldn't require any thought, just C and G7 in open position.
Brad

[jack_gvr]

The Segovia scales are a very limited set, only twenty four patterns, of which the main value is the demonstration of the technique of long position shifts in the three-octave scales. If you want to know the fingerboard well for improvisation / composition purposes (which was not Segovia's interest, of course), you want to study 2-octave scales in all positions and "modes" (i.e., a two octave scale beginning on each scale step in turn, with only small position shifts, forcing one to use all possible consecutive positions up the neck) and in all keys (this makes a set of about 240 patterns if you figure that on a 19 fret classical neck there are about ten 2-octave diatonic positions for each major and minor scale); and also you need harmonic minor scales (which Segovia ignores in favor of the oldfashioned melodic minor which reverts to natural minor descending.) It's great to learn the Segovia scales if you are a beginner, because they demonstrate valuable basic positions and techniques, but DON't get stuck playing them for years on end thinking that thereby you "know your scales", because you don't, not yet. There's a big world out there after the Segovia scales.

[christerguitar]

The segovia scales are just regular scales major and minor...

[docbop]

Question I know the Berklee scales are based on the Aaron Shearer scales. Are the Segovia and Shearer scales the same, both are classical players/teachers?

[randalljazz]

SEGOVIA scales are 24 major and melodic minor scales, played longitudinally in two or three octaves, as possible. main value, as stated above, is smooth shifting and general dexterity.

Segovia - Scales for Classic Guitar

SHEARER scales are much more elaborate (269 pages!), with highly developed patterns generally in one position per exercise. also introduces new ideas about shifting position (like squeeze shifting), which facilitate smooth playing.

Amazon.com: Scale Pattern Studies For Guitar, Supplement 3: Classic Guitar Technique (0029156063172): Aaron Shearer: Books

(mercy, i hate what they have done to scribd...yetch)