Musicians Memory

[MATTRAYMMOND]

I need to do a survey on musicians memory for my masters degree and I'm running out of time so please can you take a couple of minutes and fill this out, I would be very greatful and it's confidential so don't worry about your answers, https://spreadsheets.google.com/view...ptQXlhOFE6M Q

[Stackabones]

Done! Best of luck with the degree.

[AZanshin]

Done!

[MATTRAYMMOND]

thank you for filling that out

[mr. beaumont]

Done! Good luck Matt.

[M-ster]

Done deal. Hope it helps the project!

[gingerjazz]

Good luck hope ive helped

[fordfanjpn]

Done.

[patskywriter]

there. done.

[holgit]

done. that was interesting.

[markerhodes]

Originally Posted by MATTRAYMMOND

I need to do a survey on musicians memory for my masters degree and I'm running out of time....https://spreadsheets.google.com/view...ptQXlhOFE6M Q

You're kidding, right? First, you let yourself run out of time, and second, you let your sample group self-select? As research, this is worthless.

[wizard3739]

done! best wishes Matt!

[Tom Karol]

Done - that was interesting! I think many of us would be interested in an eventual synopsis of your findings.

[Dad3353]

Done. Synopsis of results would be interesting, I think? Good luck with the studies (and make sure you time things better in future..! )

[derek]

Originally Posted by markerhodes

You're kidding, right? First, you let yourself run out of time, and second, you let your sample group self-select? As research, this is worthless.

How do you know what the point of the survey is exactly? Or what he plans on doing with the data. Did you set up the parameters? Kind of a harsh response don't you think.

Btw, I completed the survey also. Good luck with the project.

[RonD]

Done. Looking forward to the results.

[markerhodes]

Originally Posted by derek

How do you know what the point of the survey is exactly? Or what he plans on doing with the data. Did you set up the parameters? Kind of a harsh response don't you think.

All I know is what he said and what he said sounded slipshod to me. I assume the point of the survey is to learn something significant about musicians and memory, don't you?

[fep]

Done, I'd also be interested in his results.

[MATTRAYMMOND]

First of all I just want to say a huge thank you for all your help I really didn't expect this many replies.

I understand about the timing of doing my research. Basically I planned to do it in the first part of December and then I got really busy with gigs so obviously I took those and this has been put back and put back.

In reply to Markerhodes I believe that most people are truthful about there ability levels (if this is what you are referring to) and so there will only be small level of people over/under estimating there abilities.

Also this is not the only research I am doing and this survey is just a part of it. But still if you have filled it out thank you and thanks for your opinion.

[zonedout245]

I enjoyed it. It made me ask myself a lot questions about my playing.

[markerhodes]

Originally Posted by MATTRAYMMOND

In reply to Markerhodes I believe that most people are truthful about there ability levels (if this is what you are referring to) and so there will only be small level of people over/under estimating there abilities. .

You couldn't be more wrong. You need to read David Dunning and Justin Kruger's paper "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments". (A pdf is a Google click away.)

Dunning and Kruger were both at Cornell when they published this article--in '99, I think--and since then, the phrase "Dunning-Kruger effect" has become common. But it is not enough to say that the mediocre routinely overestimate their abilities (and under value the abilities of others); Dunning cites a study wherein 94% of college profs judged themselves as "above average" (relative to their peers). Those are smart, educated people, "skilled" but erroneous in their self-assessment.

This isn't a question of *truth* but of *accuracy.* Most people are biased when considering themselves and blind to that bias.

[mr. beaumont]

For example, mark has now overestimated how highly you should/will rate his opinion.

(Sorry Mark, I just hadda...you're totally right, but you are being kind of harsh with the kid, dontcha think?)

[gingerjazz]

I agree with mr B,if this is what he has been asked to do as part of his degree then i think Mark is being a little harsh with his reaction.Good luck with the project and be sure to let us know how it goes.

[fep]

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

For example, mark has now overestimated how highly you should/will rate his opinion.

(Sorry Mark, I just hadda...you're totally right, but you are being kind of harsh with the kid, dontcha think?)

ha ha

The OP certainly didn't ask for opinions on his scientific method. But there always seems to be someone on the internet that will stick there nose into just about anything.

It appears to me that Mark is just trying to be an alpha dog Mark-ing his territory. It's kind of funny if you ask me.

[markerhodes]

Originally Posted by mr. beaumont

For example, mark has now overestimated how highly you should/will rate his opinion.

(Sorry Mark, I just hadda...you're totally right, but you are being kind of harsh with the kid, dontcha think?)

Yeah, you had to. It was "must say" situation.
I don't think it's being harsh because we're talking about research for a masters, which should be a serious intellectual pursuit. To assume that people's self-assessments are reliable is a serious methodological flaw, which I'm sure a good teacher will point out to him.

[markerhodes]

Originally Posted by fep

The OP certainly didn't ask for opinions on his scientific method. But there always seems to be someone on the internet that will stick there nose into just about anything.

I stuck my nose in because I was invited to take the survey. I looked at it and thought it was poorly conceived. It wouldn't matter if this were a bull session, but I took him at his word that this was research toward a masters, and AS SUCH it struck me terrible because it is *based* on the assumption that people's self-assessments are accurate but this view is mistaken. THAT this view is mistaken has become a commonplace in recent years. (That's how *I* know it--I'm not a specialist in this area and don't pretend to be. It's something that someone doing masters-level research and using self-assessments *should* know.)

[mr. beaumont]

Originally Posted by markerhodes

Yeah, you had to. It was "must say" situation.

You're right, uncalled for. Sometimes my humor doesn't work on the web...gotta remember we're not all sitting around having beers.

[Dad3353]

Good evening, all...
Just for fun, and to 'echo' markerhodes...
There is an old IT expression...

10% of programmers program correctly.
90% of programmers believe that they are in the 10%

...The same could be applied in other fields, of course...

10% of guitarists play correctly.
90% of guitarists believe that they are in the 10%

...Ring a bell, anyone? Tons of other examples, create your own (no prizes...)!

Incidently, @MATTRAYMMOND, if you don't mind the correction, the possessive 'their' is different from 'there' (a common error, but surely you'd lose 'Master' points for such details..?).
Well, that was fun, wasn't it?
(No?, Oh well, must be me. No offence intended...)

[derek]

Originally Posted by markerhodes

All I know is what he said and what he said sounded slipshod to me. I assume the point of the survey is to learn something significant about musicians and memory, don't you?

No I don't think that at all. The questions are fairly light, and touch upon already established research regarding memory. If it were for more significant research, there mostly likely would be strict parameters, a control group, etc. I just don't see the point in bashing a guy up front for something as innocuous as a simple survey.

[markerhodes]

Originally Posted by derek

I just don't see the point in bashing a guy up front for something as innocuous as a simple survey.

If he had said it was a simple, innocuous survey, I wouldn't have said anything, but he said this was research for work on a master's degree. I think that calls for a higher standard than "something as innocuous as a simple survey."